Talk:Kevin MacDonald (evolutionary psychologist)

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Issues with neutrality[edit]

The article says Macdonald is 'associated with... antisemitism and racism', using the ADL as the only source. The ADL is an activist organization with a sketchy record whek it comes to labels of anti-Semitism. As MacDonald is a psychologist who studies Jewish evolutionary strategies, I understand how Jewish people would feel uncomfortable with some of his writing, but considering he has published these writings in peer-reviewed publications, and his writings do not make objective value statements on the subject matter, I think that putting inflammatory labels like 'racist' or 'antisemitic' in the article are a direct attack on Wikipedia's neutrality policy. As a result, I will remove them, pending forther discussion, in line with the above-cited policy. Clinton (talk) 03:36, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

Please note I do believe the adoption of his work by white suprenacist groups is very noteworthy and I left that in the introduction.

Science and neutrality require that we do not suppress views that we find challenging; until they are objectively disproved, an activist source is not enough to shut them down. If your gut reaction believes otherwise, consider the eventuality that scientific consensus turns against your oersonal biases. Do you want to be responsible for contributing to an environment where unpopularity can be used as a counterargument for scientific fact? Clinton (talk) 03:46, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

...we do not suppress views that we find challenging... Ah, the irony.
Wikipedia goes by reliable sources. Your opinion that the ADL is "sketchy" is not consistent with past discussions of this source on Wikipedia. Additionally, it is far from the only source for this point, it is merely the one in the lead. Further, previous discussion of this issue has established a consensus, and the burden is on you to change that consensus with better sources. Grayfell (talk) 04:16, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

White "supremacist" is severe POV; MacDonald is the canonical example of non-supremacist white nationalist[edit]

The entire point of MacDonald's schtick is the idea that whites are (among other differences) intellectually inferior to Ashkenazi Jews, and therefore prone to Jewish subversion of their white group (i.e., white nationalist) interests. So a non-supremacist. He does argue that whites have group interests and should pursue them, therefore also a white nationalist. He does not seem interested in nonwhite groups such as Africans and Asians other than thinking it is not in white (group) interests to admit large numbers of them into historically white countries. I think he readily admits higher East Asian IQ but is not concerned about it except where it starts to become (in his theorizing) another "hostile elite" similar to Jews that undermines white interests. He capitalizes "White" (again WN).

This is all specifically white nationalist ideology, not supremacist in any apparent way. There is a considerable overlap between WN and WS, leading to some justifiable conflation of the two in many cases (e.g., of WS who call themselves WN as a ploy) but none of that seems to apply to MacDonald. 73.149.246.232 (talk) 01:32, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

anti-semitic conspiracy theorist, white supremacist[edit]

anti-semitic conspiracy theorist, white supremacist

This is a label of judgment and can no way be considered neutral. Non-neutrality hurts the wikipedia project regardless of how much you detest someone's views. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.249.100.137 (talk) 06:33, 25 March 2020 (UTC)